on Tarot and Human Design
welcome Kristy to the podcast, she has recently launched a you tube channell where she combines tarot and human design. Providning weekly readings for each Human design type.
You can find her channell on youtube or through her website Tarot in HD
I’ve known and worked with Kristy for a number of years, a natual manifestor (learn more about why in this episode) She has embraced her spiritual calling and is living in alignment.
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Jodi Anne: [00:00:00] Hello. Hello, my beautiful Coven. Welcome back, Earbud Coven. Have I got a treat for you today. I have my friend, Kristy Abel here. Now we've been working together in the same spaces for a few years now, I think now, babe. Yep. And She brings so much to the table.
She knows so much about human design. She has a similar passion to tarot that I do. And she has just launched a YouTube channel called Tarot in HD. So we're going to be talking tarot. I want to talk some human design, because you know I don't study that. So I learn from the people around me.
So welcome Kristy.
Kristy: Well, thank you, Jodi Anne. It's just awesome to be here. I'm super psyched. I've listened to your podcast and seen you on YouTube lots of times, and so when you asked me to join you, I was like, yes. I was like, no hesitation whatsoever.
Jodi Anne: And you've done My Human Design too.
Kristy: I have. [00:01:00] I have. I think you are a, you're either a manifesting generator or generator.
I can't remember.
Jodi Anne: I think I'm a manifesting generator.
Kristy: Yeah, and that really tracks for you. Definitely. And I'm a manifester. I'm a 4 6 manifester, and one of the things that's really interesting about that is it has allowed me to like full steam ahead with tarot, even though I've heard otherwise like some of the books that I've read they've said oh, you need to practice for four years before you can charge somebody for a reading.
You need to do this. You need to do that. And I was like, well, I got the message to start doing this in November of 2023, and it's now November 2024. And so less than a year channel. Readings, all these kinds of things. But I feel like I have permission because of my human design. Right? So, as a manifestor, I'm supposed to go out and just do whatever I want. People fall into 3 categories.
People who are like, hell, yes. Other people who are like, okay. I'm not quite so sure about this and then others who are like hell no [00:02:00] and so it's like this automatic filtration system for me So I didn't feel the need to hold back and study for years and I know that i'm still in a novice early, stage
I'm not afraid of making mistakes and doing them publicly. It's more important to just take action to me. And so I'm excited about how this channel is going to grow over the next couple of years.
Yeah.
Jodi Anne: I super love that. And one of the things I think I really like about that is I feel like you're going to give your audience the opportunity to grow with you.
Kristy: Yeah. Yeah.
Jodi Anne: As you're speaking, I'm tuning in and getting that vibe. As we do, when we come together with people who do the work, it just feels like your audience will grow with you. Yes. That makes sense. Like you'll be learning together.
Kristy: Yeah, a hundred percent. So the first couple, like, my first 60 videos were all just my hands. And I only moved into the face, I only moved into that two weeks ago And it was because I had these ideas about how things should be [00:03:00] and then I was like no What is the universe telling me to do and it's just take these baby steps towards this growth And then starting to just put everything together.
Jodi Anne: My channel's similar, so I do the podcast and one of the things I love about the audio medium is that I can roll out of bed, make a cup of coffee with my curly hair all everywhere and my dog in the bed and just talk to my little earbud coven.
It feels very informal and it feels very cozy to me when I'm creating. The YouTube channel, I actually have to have a shower and do something with my face and my hair, but I'm not very polished either. One of the things I hang on to is that the world needs my crappy art. Everyone just did the thing.
If we all just did the thing that we're called to, that resonates with us. Not waiting for it to be perfect, but to just put it forward. Cause if you look at the really [00:04:00] prolific painters of the world, like Leonardo da Vinci didn't just do masterpieces, like he did a bunch of crap. We found like sketches and it's the same with Pablo Picasso.
So he has all these. Sketches that he did, and then he got into cubism. So they had to go through their own process of making mediocre stuff before they were upheld as these great
masters.
Kristy: Yeah.
And that was spoken like a true manifesting generator, right? Because with manifesting generators, you are able to, first of all, you're more like a generator than a manifester.
None of the human design types, energy types are better than the other. They just all function differently in society. And when we all come together living by our design then like it creates this magic that is just incredible. But as a generator, having that as your base, you're supposed to do what lights you up, what fulfills you.
And then in so doing, you then create all of this energy. Energy for the rest of us [00:05:00] to to draw from right? Like I don't create energy for other people as a manifester. I like ideas, ideas, ideas, ideas. I get like hundreds of downloads a week about like things I could be doing. And so one of my challenges is to like, see which ones do I actually want to focus on?
Follow because manifestos are great at starting things, but they're not great at finishing them. Whereas someone who's a manifesting generator has best of both worlds where you start things and you finish them. But because you're so good at doing so many things, Sometimes the best thing you can do is say no.
So that's a really interesting kind of thing . Really tune in to is this an alignment with what I want or what I'm being called to do? , okay. So I'm very big into societal conditioning and like untangling it. And yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jodi Anne: Much of my work
is like, Unraveling the thought forms and the ancestral curses that we've picked up from our culture.
And I don't judge anyone for having them. Like we're all in the water. We're all wet.
Kristy: We've [00:06:00] all got it. Right. But we can choose to like to untangle that and separate ourselves from it. , I live almost fully by my human design and there's lots of different aspects to it.
November has been an incredible manifestation month for me in terms of things that I set in motion years ago. Stuff are coming now and coming hard and fast. And I'm just like, so grateful.
I so Jodi there was a reading that you did for me. Way early in my journey, like way early
Jodi Anne: oh oh tell me, because I forget because I know it comes in and I give it to you and it's gone.
Kristy: So I was in our space with spirit essence collective for a totally different reason at first, right?
I was here to represent the body and learning ways to be more healthy and that kind of thing. And it was maybe like, Six or seven months in and I was a participant in one of the online summits and you gave me a reading And you said I recorded it because i've listened to it several times.
Jodi Anne: Oh my [00:07:00] god.
Kristy: Oh, yeah
Jodi Anne: you are going to gee garsh
me so badly.
Kristy: I go back to it and you said two of the things that really stood out for me. They were one You're here for a very specific and important reason, but it's not what you think, right? Because back then I was so very focused on products and things that I could promote and for the better of the collective, 100%, but it was a very, it was not in the esoteric space and so you gave me this, and then you also said that I was like a tiger on tinfoil, right?
, because I was very tentative I have been searching, before I found tarot and Human Design, I was, Really searching for where do I land in this space right ?
So for three years I was trying very hard to be an evidential medium like I want to talk to dead people I want that That that power or, like the link, I want to be that person, but it wasn't happening and it wasn't happening.
And I was getting frustrated because I'm used to like setting a goal, making a plan, going for what I want and achieving [00:08:00] it. And I felt very powerless in this way. And one of the things you said, you're like, you're so confident, but you're tentative at the same time that Tiger on tinfoil and that image has stayed with me for a really long time that and the where am I supposed to fit in this space and everything changed so I started with manifestation
Jodi Anne: I remember how quickly you could manifest because you'd been listening to your intuition your whole life but not really calling it that Yes, you were like calling it following your gut or having good business instinct or something and all of us psychics were like, baby, we can see it. We can see what you're downloading. We can see you're in tune.
Kristy: Yeah. And so I remember talking, with Tara and saying can I teach a manifestation course?
Because for me, I was an atheist for many years, and then I was agnostic until about four years ago, had a spiritual awakening, but needed those baby steps, right, to work towards like full on, [00:09:00] like, boom, yeah, here we are, like, I'm ready, I'm receiving, and that's where we're at now.
And manifestation, like being able to take something that's like intangible and then have it materialize in my physical world was something that I really needed to believe in spirit, to believe in the power of the universe or God or whatever we choose to call it.
And then. Six months into it I said, can I teach a course? And Tara was like, yeah, sure. And then I had some really great success with manifestation courses and whatnot. And I was like, but that's not it. And then I found human design and All of a sudden, my whole life made sense.
My whole existence made sense. Like it was the biggest permission slip I've ever had in my life to go ahead and do something like this and not be like, Oh, you're an imposter. I'm like, no, I am supposed to do this. I found that and then I was like, okay. So then I started teaching about human design and then.
In November last year, I was like where do I go from here? Like human design is static. It's like a stamp, right? So it's [00:10:00] like you're born this time around at this location at this time on this date, the universe goes stamp. This is who you're supposed to be. And then of course we get socially conditioned out of it.
And then it's this process of rediscovery, right?
Jodi Anne: But I'm going to pause you
because you're like me when we're excited, we talk fast.
Kristy: Oh, so much. Yeah. Yeah.
Jodi Anne: What I'm hearing you say is you came into this metaphysical space.
Yeah. It opened you up and human design was one of the first modalities you really turned to mastering. After manifesting, because you realize how well you manifest.
Kristy: Yeah, and it turns out like part of the reason I'm such good, so good at manifesting is because I'm literally a manifester, right?
Jodi Anne: I'm going to rewind you again, my love. So now, for anyone in the earbud coven who doesn't know what human design is, Can you give us like the elevator pitch of what is human design?
Kristy: Yeah, 100%. So it is like I talked about the stamp, [00:11:00] right? So you've got this stamp and then human design is actually like a roadmap or like a manual for how to live your life according to that stamp.
So there are all these different aspects to it. The most important one is your energy type. And this would be equivalent to like your sun sign in astrology, except there's not 12, there's only five. Okay. So there are generators, which is about 38 percent of the population, manifesting generators, which is about 32.
And then we've got, oh, my gosh, my math is not gonna work out, but that's okay. And then projectors about 24. Manifestors about nine and then reflectors are about one and everybody will have one of these and then we have our profile which will be a combination of two numbers. I'm a four six for example and the first number is how you see yourself and then the second number is how other people see you and then there's your authority which is like how you should make decisions.
For example, I'm an emotional authority, which about 50 [00:12:00] percent of people are, which means that I should make decisions. Based on how I feel not up here.
Jodi Anne: That's the kind I am too. And I remember what I learned from the work you did for me is I'm a manifestor, generator. So I have to go with what lights me up when I'm on fire for something.
That's my superpower. And that's when I'm lit up. It attracts what I need to me.
It's really important I go to that place of what brings me joy, what makes me happy, what lights me up, and emotionally make that decision, and to really trust it, even when my logic y ness is like woah
Kristy: yeah.
Jodi Anne: And it works because I do a lot of manifestation work in general.
I do a lot of witchcraft and I'm often amazed at the life I've created as a single mother raising two teenage boys. in, sports in Vancouver [00:13:00] during an economic crisis, And I just came back from five days away in Tofino surfing.
Kristy: Wonderful.
Jodi Anne: Like I'm able to go where I want to go, travel where I want to go, visit the people I want to visit.
Kristy: Yeah.
Jodi Anne: It's amazing to me how much. Comes effortlessly when I'm in my joy.
Kristy: That's fun. It is so true. And only you get to decide what that is, right? ,
we're supposed to each bring something to the collective and human design tells you what that is. And so the more I live in alignment with my design, the more I'm rewarded. In this lifetime and of course beyond right but right now is where it's happening.
Yeah, it's just that's just a little slice of it.
There's much more But you can tell like there's another thing called your sign which is how you feel when you're in alignment with your universal design For me that is peace and it's interesting. So I chase peace and my not self is the [00:14:00] opposite of that.
And that is anger and I'm not a very angry person to begin with, but when I do get angry, I like, I allow myself to feel the feels. I mean, I'm a therapist, right? And that comes out a lot in the Tarot. We'll talk about that in a minute. But I'm a therapist. And so I know that I can limit.
The time that I spend in the denser emotions, and then, and I'm like, okay okay, we've had our little time here, and then I'm like, okay, what do I want to do? And I'm like, oh, I'm out of alignment, right? Oh, if I'm angry, I'm out of alignment with my human design. Oh, okay.
What do I need to do to get into alignment? And that's peace. And so I then do a series of things to help myself get to peace. And it's incredible how good that is for your mental health.
Jodi Anne: Like that your choice of words as the denser emotions. Yeah. I really love that choice of words because I feel like there's a lot of connotation.
around certain emotions in our culture that they are less than or not good or you're a [00:15:00] bad person when you feel that.
Kristy: We as human beings, we need to have a full spectrum of emotions, otherwise you're not having a human experience. Yeah. Right. So I know. So yeah, so human design in a nutshell.
For example, as a manifesting generator, it's always the same. So it's your your sign is satisfaction, which I love because that satisfaction is that internal feeling of that, day well lived that job well done that feeling.
Jodi Anne: I'm a competitive person. to feel satisfied is like, it's good.
Kristy: And then you're not self is frustration. And so when you are frustrated, you're out of your design. And so it's like a signal that you're off the path. Is that makes sense?
Jodi Anne: You should see me when I can't fix something. Because I'm quite analytical.
It's one of the reasons that tarot really appeals to me. I'm, so far in left field in so many aspects of my life, but in a lot of them, [00:16:00] I'm very, very systematic. I mean, my muggle job is in a laboratory. So come on.
Kristy: I call myself a systems gal all the time. I like a data. I love data. Like I was in a meeting earlier today at work and we're talking about collecting data.
I'm like, yes, please. I'm like, we need baseline data, it's so interesting because I'm so So reliant on my left brain so much. But when I'm in a therapy session, I'm in my right brain a lot. Like I'm using the tools that I've learned in the left brain. But when we're having a conversation, I'm not thinking about what I need to apply here.
It's just flowing out. And that's what's happening with the tarot as well. More so than any other modality that I have tried. And I've tried quite a few. It is my favorite.
Jodi Anne: I started with tarot when I was 17, right? I got a reading and then I was like, what is this? The art just blew my mind. And I could see it was like, as I learned it, it was, it was hard.
I remember it was hard [00:17:00] because some of the symbology made sense and some of it was so kabalistic and so full of like Rosicrucianist. Yeah. Like tree of life, like real esoteric stuff and my frontal lobe wasn't even developed yet. Yeah. So I'm donning all this symbology and reading every tome I could get from the public library because the internet was not a thing.
I had to go to weird little bookshops. little bookshops, right? And sometimes you couldn't even get the good books because you had to, there was a lot of gatekeeping around information. So it has grown with me. I think it's my point that in my little rabbit hole of Babbel, it grows with you.
I feel like it's one of those tools that the more you study it, the more it unlocks itself to you and you find different layers. It's taken me a long time to find the layers of astrology in it. [00:18:00] Yeah. Because astrology I've had like Now that the computers will do the math for you, my dyslexic brain got very confused with the graphing aspect and the time change aspect when I was learning astrology back in the 90s.
So I, I gave up on it and I'm like, you know what? I know good astrologers and I will rely on them. Yeah. So now that the computer does the math for me and does all those angles and changes the time zones and all of that, it's good. It's a lot easier, so I'm interested how human design slots into those esoteric truths because there's a bit of a Venn diagram overlap between human design and astrology and psychology.
Kristy: Yeah, so it's interesting. So human design is actually a mix of astrology, quantum physics, the Hindu Brahman chakra [00:19:00] system, and the Kabbalah. Okay, so it's actually drawn from all of these things. And so astrology is like a big part of it. I've always known I was a Gemini, , and I'm the true Gemini through and through, but I'm also a Gemini.
Sun, moon, and Venus. Yeah with a Taurus rising.
Jodi Anne: Oh my god, your poor Taurus rising.
Kristy: , but it makes a lot of sense. And then my north node, my favorite thing about Astrology is your north node because it tells you where to go. So that's part of why I love human design so much, is that it tells you, it doesn't tell you, It, it tells you how to make decisions and it tells you how to stay in alignment, but it doesn't tell you like the little things, which is why I love combining it with tarot and in as far as I know, I am the very first person on YouTube, at least to combine human design and the tarot.
I am the only one doing it. And so it feels cool to be in that kind of like experimental space. And and of course like humans, but I [00:20:00] also see the human design is growing. And it's another way of understanding yourself, just like astrology, , but it doesn't tell you like what to do like next week, or I feel like giving guidance from spirit through the tarot and then the psychology piece.
1 of the things that I knew this was going to happen when I started, how can I not? , if the tarot presents an issue, how can I not use my 20 years of being a psychologist to help resolve that issue, right? So there's this very, so while the, like the cards are coming out spirit, like all that's happening and then I'm inspired, but, and it takes me a little while to like, Put everything together, but I'm reading the cards , like a story, right?
And as soon as I realized that Tarot is literally A storytelling device. Right? Yes. I was like, Oh my gosh, this doesn't seem so daunting. Before I used to go, Oh, it's 78 cards. There's so much memorization and this can't be worth it.
Jodi Anne: It's the it's the hero's journey.
That's how I teach it. That was the way I learned it. Yeah. It's the [00:21:00] hero's journey from fool. Yeah. Realization and initiation into the world card, which is self actualization.
Kristy: Yeah, and then over and over and over again,
Jodi Anne: yeah, there's multiple layers to each card.
So when I teach one of the ways I look at it, and I'm offering this to you because I know with your analytical brain, you're going to in there and it's going to blossom into something beautiful. So I was taught years ago, I don't even know where I learned this anymore, but to break down the higher arcana into three separate sets of seven.
Kristy: Okay.
Jodi Anne: So the fool kind of floats around outside. He's your main character. He's you or your querent or whatever. He's the beginning, the initiate. And then the first seven cards are like learning about your own empowerment. Okay. Who am I? What are my strengths? So the magician. [00:22:00] is like your I am. And then the High Priestess is your intuition.
And then you've got the Divine Feminine, the Divine Masculine. And then you go into the Hierophant, which is your faith. And then learning how to make decisions is the lover's card. And then you move into the second set. And this is your initiation. This is how you show up in the world. This is how you're challenged.
So how do you manage being pulled in different directions? That's your chariot. How do you apply knowledge? How do you respond to hardship? That's like learning. , once you're empowered, you get these challenges. How do you do this with your empowerment? So the hangman, when you're empowered, but you must be still in wait and learn.
Kristy: Yeah, I love it.
Jodi Anne: And then you learn the wheel of time. You're not actually in control of anything, even though you're totally powerful. Right? So all these aspects. And then the third set is that esoteric mindset. [00:23:00] Right? In the great collective, in the spiritual view of things. So that's your sun card. All things are blessings.
Right? That's your moon card learning that you are wonderful and beautiful in all your phases and it almost feels like, the moon card almost feels like the extension of the high priestess card, like it's what's behind her veil.
Kristy: I love what you just said about the Moon in all of its phases. Like I am taking that and it's happening on my channel next time that card comes up.
Jodi Anne: The moon card teach, like the moon itself, that big goddess in the sky, like she teaches us that no matter how much light or how dark we are, we are always whole. And our lightness and our darkness can
shift,
right?
Kristy: Which I remember one thing we did a, I think it was a new moon ceremony in the sky.
And one of the things that you said that I have taken with me, and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it on [00:24:00] my channel is like you'd be set like a, an intention manifestation. And then as you look up into the sky and the moon starts to reveal itself, it's like these steps towards that manifestation at the full moon.
And I'm like, yes, I have repeated that several times,
Jodi Anne: right? Because our monkey mind, Especially my chaotic mind needs to attach something tangible to what I'm doing in the metaphysical world. Otherwise I'll touch that spell and muck with it and redo it or not trust it. So I like having anchors and the moon is a perfect one because it's so much bigger than us.
Kristy: Yeah. Oh, I love it. No, I love that. Like we're, it has all these phases, but reminds us we're still whole. Oh, I love it. Beautiful.
Jodi Anne: And your manifestation works, didn't it?
Kristy: Oh, almost always. specific goal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really, really cool. Yeah.
And it's interesting because sometimes it's something [00:25:00] intangible, right?
And then sometimes it's like, we just had a hot tub delivered to our backyard, right?
Jodi Anne: Good girl.
Kristy: Right?
And that's something I put in the works like eight years ago, and it's just, it was like in a list, or we got this we adopted a dog this weekend, right?
So one of the things about human design is that it will tell you what type of manifestation style you have. And I have a, so it's either active or passive, specific or non specific. And it's a combination of those two things, those eight possibilities.
And so, most manifestation teaches you to be a specific active manifester, right? So it's like, make a dream board, write out what you want, be really specific, do lots of visualization. And in my intro courses that I've taught that's how I went because that's what I knew at the time and it was working for me.
I felt very confident in teaching it. Well, I do my human design chart really deeply. Turns out I'm passive and non specific. From somebody who has been an A type [00:26:00] her whole life, who has had all of this success in setting a goal, like I have four university degrees, right?
Jodi Anne: Yeah, I didn't know that about you. You say that so nonchalant. Although I only have four degrees.
Kristy: I know. I'm very well educated. Right? There's these things that I have but then I want to apply it to this, right? Like it's so interesting.
. So I find this out and I am devastated because I'm like, oh my gosh, I need to change everything. And, but I believe so much in human design that I was like, let's do it. So when I was thinking about this dog, right, I could have said, I want a dog. I don't know. Whatever.
Some sort of breed of doll and if you're an active, and if you're like a specific one, like that's what you should ask for. But I know now that I just need to ask for, so what I asked for in the summer was like, universe.
Please bring us the perfect dog , for our family at the right time. That's it. And lo and behold, boom, like unbelievable. This dog that has just [00:27:00] showed up for us. And she was in everything in my criteria, which was like under 50 pounds, under four years old, like very general. I don't say I want to manifest 7, 000 anymore.
But I can say. I would like to manifest 7, 000 or better, right? Cause if I am too specific as a non specific, the universe won't give me more than what I asked for. Right? Like it's very interesting to go back to your chart and see if you're a specific,
Jodi Anne: as soon as we're off this call, you're going
up and I'm going to be like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kristy: But that's really important, and I don't think the passive or active is in there, but I can show you, it's basically how an arrow is pointing
So one of the things, the last manifestation course that I taught was using your human design to manifest and so there's a section, like there's a class on authority and like, how you make decisions to do it , and how to use your strategy, which is how you should make decisions.
Yeah. So like my strategy as a manifester is to inform,
Jodi Anne: [00:28:00] What do you know, you teach
Kristy: perfect. And as a manifesting generator, yours is to respond. Right.
Jodi Anne: So tell me what that's like an action.
Kristy: Really good example is like manifesting generators and generators don't typically love open ended questions, right?
So they would rather, so I live with three generators. Okay. So my guys, my two sons and my husband are all, they're all generators. So if I say, what do you want for dinner? They all go, Oh, I don't know. But if I say, if you want tacos or pizza, they'll go, they'll tell me, right? So it's very interesting.
And it's not like you can't answer open ended questions, right? Like you can, but you would prefer a choice to choose from a menu rather than, whereas me, I always know what I want.
Jodi Anne: But yeah, no, that makes sense. Cause I can find it overwhelming to choose.
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Kristy: I've never met a reflector in real life. I've done a chart for somebody across the country, but I have never met.
They're very rare. Right? 1%. And whenever I do a presentation, like, [00:29:00] say , for the spiritualist church or whatever when I talk about reflector, a lot of people are like, that's me. That's me. And then I'll do their chart and their generator. , but the thing is like generators need boundaries because generators are such good machines, for making like creation, like for making and doing and stuff like that was really important.
But. Because they get into doing things that they don't like and then they withdraw or like they say they're like empath so I'll say you can be an empath and be any type of human design but people like reflectors they absorb the energy of their environment like nobody else and they really, really careful about where they are and whether that energy is theirs or it's from their surroundings. Like, it's very challenging and exhausting to be a reflector.
Jodi Anne: Yeah,
Kristy: but the reflectors are actually at the center of all human design. , because they're like a mirror, right?
So a reflect like literally the reflector. So it's if I'm talking to a reflector, I will see myself in them. And then that is an [00:30:00] incredible tool for self-reflection to go, oh my gosh, that's me.
, just like I said, like one of the best gifts that you can give to yourself and the rest of the world is to say no, right?
So many people go back to the food metaphor, right? It's like if life is a buffet, right? And you get to choose from it. Sometimes you take things that you don't like because other people say that you want that, right? Oh, you should really try this, whatever.
Then, you have this big pile of food on your plate, but when your plate is full, the universe goes, There's no space here. So you actually have to take some stuff off your plate so that spirit can come in and go, Oh, here's something you'll really like. So this is like one of the things that I talk about a lot in my practice and as well as on the channel is creating that space, being okay with nothingness, being okay with
Jodi Anne: difficult for people,
Kristy: so how can your higher power give you anything else? If everything is full.
Jodi Anne: One of the ways that I've been working with that idea [00:31:00] in the last, I think, two years is the idea of allowing things in your life to die. I go into all these dark witchy metaphors because that's my demographic.
. But I use the idea of a garden, right? Because I'm always living seasonally, I'm doing my best to live seasonally with like, not just the season out there, but with the season internally. Because sometimes my season doesn't match with the world. Sometimes I'm in a prolonged winter and I need like really comforted, blanketed time, and other times I'm in a prolonged summer and I'm really generating a lot.
One of the things I look at is everything has its time. Like you have to be willing to let pieces of yourself die. You have to be willing to compost your old life. You have to be willing to let it go. Otherwise, you cannot germinate something new. You can't germinate when you're in bloom. You have to let those blooms fall and die.
Good, bad, [00:32:00] beautiful, ugly. All of it's got to go sometime. Good, bad.
Kristy: Just reminding me of the concept of the ego death. So in like in manifestation 201, which is the followup to the first one that I did there's a whole section on ego and the higher self, and how do we strike a balance between the two?
Because of course we need our egos. Like it's our personality, our egos keep us alive. But I would venture to say that. Most people, I'm not going to touch a number, are very ego driven in that they're ignoring the higher self and making decisions based on that social conditioning, based on what is, what we're told
Jodi Anne: and sometimes survival, sometimes our egos, like when I'm doing deep healing work and deep, like really deep energy work with people, that, ego piece, or it's that survival piece.
Kristy: It holds, it clutches, your ego clutches to your identity so badly. But then when you go through an [00:33:00] ego death, it is this release, this thing, like just what you were just talking about, right? And then it creates, it allows for space, right? So we have, and I've had many ego deaths in my life and they're not easy.
But it's not easy. But like, we don't grow when we're in our comfort zone. Like, if growth and expansion is the goal, which I believe it is, human beings cannot be truly happy unless they're progressing. We can be content. Right. Like we can be chill and content and there is a lot of people for whom that is an ultimate goal.
Say someone who grew up with trauma they've worked through some things and now they're living in a place where their nervous system isn't activated all the time. And contentment is the goal that's meant, but there's, but just think of all the growth that had to happen for that to be achieved.
Jodi Anne: Like it's all such a continuum. And when we start looking at things in that continuum and moving from this space to this space, it's so easy to remove judgment over what anyone is [00:34:00] doing. Right. If you just look at the beginning places for any individual in this incarnation and where they're moving towards, take all the material stuff away and just look at that journey of that soul and how it's expanding.
It's so easy. Easy to cultivate empathy and compassion for what that person is going through and endearing, right? So when you really look at it, that energetic
model,
Kristy: and I will tell you and be very brutally honest here, the biggest ego deaths for me are around judgment. And, at the beginning of my journey, like it was some of the biggest yes, like, like came from, wow as human beings, we do naturally judge others, right?
Our ego does. Okay. And it's a sorting mechanism of this is safe. This is not safe. , but then we make judgments about I'll be very honest I would make assumptions based on the way somebody looked I remember I was starting to do some shadow work right and so and again shadow work. Creates ego deaths
and so I [00:35:00] feel like when we start to do shadow work, which I'm a huge, huge fan of, I think it's, it's so important because our subconscious, I mean, 95 percent of what we do is subconscious and only 5 percent is subconscious.
Jodi Anne: Shadow work is the most direct, like it's the most direct path to healing. Like if people are scared of it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. And, and it's interesting that you have a counseling background, because I've spent all I've.
Spent a lot of days in therapy. I really really believe in therapy. I believe in talk therapy. I believe in coaching I think it is an integral part of Evolution of the soul. I think it's very important to have someone to ask you how do I say that to ask the questions that allow you to examine yourself?
however in the same breath I have found that shamanic work on my thought forms, on ancestral curses, on looking deeply at the shadow, will, it resonates [00:36:00] downwards, like when we do our therapy work, it resonates up to the spiritual level, and it's harder to go up. If you can get to that shamanic area, that esoteric weaving of your thought forms of why you feel less than.
Of where the curse of, the family curse of scarcity was incepted in your energetic line. When you unwind that stuff, it ripples back into your life so quickly, and it'll ripple back through your line. Like, I've done things like, Deep shadow work on scarcity and I've done work on it and then I've seen reactions in my cousin's lives and I'm like we're very close family and there was a lot of scarcity issues in our family.
Like my great grandfather came over I think my great great fleeing Ireland starvation, right? So there's scarcity woven into our bones and to [00:37:00] unwind it and then see the changes in the family line, right? And some of the work I've done on the messages women carry about our bodies, about our worth,
about our place in the world.
And then seeing very, it's subtle, it's very subtle, but then different shifts coming up in conversations with the women in my family.
Kristy: Love it. And it's interesting because when we're open about it, like I was quietly, having my spiritual awakening
and then I remember being so afraid of what other, of other people judging me. I was a card carrying atheist for like 20 years, and so, I'm like, am I going to be rejected by my people? And to be fair I have been in some ways. There's some people that are like, I don't want to talk about this with you.
And I'm like, okay, that's fine. And, or whatever, but I also was like, my vibe attracts my tribe. So if I am going to move forward with my [00:38:00] authentic self, I better. Start effing being her, right? And so I, yeah, I remember I had like this coming out post, about like understanding finally what like, even like organized religion was about.
I'm like, I get it. I get why you do this, right? Like, I also think by the way, everybody's right. You're not wrong and you're not wrong and you're not wrong. , I'm like, everybody's right. We just have different ways of explaining it for the human experience.
And so I came out and it was one of the scariest things I did in my adult life was admit that I was a spiritual person now. And now look at me, I have a tarot channel, it's not my full time gig yet, but like it will be eventually, like, and I'm cool with the timing, right.
Jodi Anne: Okay. Tell me, we are, we've been chatting for so long and we both talk so fast. This is going to be a big episode.
But let's talk about Tarot.
Kristy: Oh, yes, please. Yeah. Let's get there. Woo. I, yeah it surprised me when I got the [00:39:00] download. It was very clear.
It was like combined human design and Tarot. And I was like, not human design and Oracle, although I do incorporate Oracle cards into it because I feel like they flesh out the reading and I like tying everything together for the message. But I've taken a couple of courses and I've read a couple of books, but then I, oh, so I used to like, so one of the courses that I took, you made like these kind of like not cue cards, but they were like keywords and stuff like that.
For example, like the chariot, the word I use is chariot. drive and it's about like your human drive and , your drive to succeed, but also like to actually go somewhere and travel, like there's these things. So I have these keywords and for the longest time, I would only do readings for my friends using my cheaters.
Would only do it because I was so uncomfortable and then in August, I had a significant spiritual experience. Okay. And I received a significant message of you don't need those anymore. And I went, Oh, my God. Okay. And so I just dropped him I know that it will [00:40:00] evolve.
And since tarot is it evolves forever. Right? Like you're always learning something new. I only know how to do three spreads. I don't even know how to do a Celtic cross yet.
Jodi Anne: Celtic cross is big. Like I'm always amazed that that is one of the first.
When I was learning, every book had the Celtic Cross in it, probably because it's very Wiccan and that's what was hot when I was learning.
Yeah. I'm always surprised because there's so much information in the Celtic Cross.
Kristy: Yeah.
Jodi Anne: What is it? It's like 1, 2, 4, it's like 10 or 12 cards. And that's so much information. I don't use it a lot.
Kristy: Yeah.
Jodi Anne: I use a mini Celtic cross, so I don't do any of the ones down the side. I just do a significator.
I love a significator.
I was taught to pick a card that represents your client, and even they can pick it. Sometimes what's fun, if you have a lot of cards, like a lot of decks, is to have a person [00:41:00] pick their significator out of one deck.
Kristy: Mm hmm.
Jodi Anne: And then read them out of the other that way it can show up again sometimes.
Yeah, it's fun to do, but the significator and then whatever is crossing them, and then just what's behind you before you above you and below you.
Kristy: Nice.
Jodi Anne: It's a really great.
Kristy: In my channel, I just do three card spreads because like right now I just want them to be about 10 minutes long.
That's what I have space for. Then I'll do a variation of each of those. So like past, present, future, situation, obstacle advice, anyways, there's five different ones that I do.
Jodi Anne: a three cards Spread is super powerful.
Kristy: It can be right. And it gives me a lot of information, especially about an issue And then I like to do a year ahead spread.
So like one card for every month with maybe some clarifiers and those make great, birthday gifts. ,
Jodi Anne: Oh, that's a great spread. That is a great spread. I've been ignoring my channel. I was doing a monthly spread, full spread every month, which is a lot to edit, [00:42:00] but I do a year ahead spread and I will be doing one this January and I do it for the collective
it's interesting because I find I can go back to it, like, in March or whatever. It's interesting to watch that arc happen.
Kristy: . And then the other one I do is like an open seven card spread where the first one, the first card is the issue and the seventh card is the outcome and everything else. It's not very structured. And so I get to use my intuition and spirit and then pull and see where things land.
Those are typically like 20, 30 minutes. But , again, later on, I think I've said in the channel that comes January, I'll start doing longer spreads and whatever, but for now, I mean, I do six readings every week
Jodi Anne: , that's a ton girl.
Kristy: But there are 10 to 12 minutes long each, because I do one for each human design type and then I do one for the collective as well.
Jodi Anne: Oh, wow.
Kristy: So yeah, like I said, Saturday mornings, this Saturday I didn't do any this weekend because we spent Saturday driving to Seattle to get the dogs.
So I was like, you know what? And then I was like, I [00:43:00] could do them Sunday. I'm like, but it's okay. Like it's okay to like, just take a break. It's alright,
Jodi Anne: it's one of the beautiful things about being not the Joe Rogan podcast, like you can actually just, you can be like, you know what, that one came out a little bit late, and that's okay, and that's okay, and being an independent podcast and an independent channel, it's, you really do have that.
Kristy: What made you decide to do, like, so you have a YouTube channel and a podcast, correct?
Jodi Anne: I know because I tend to do too much, right? So it probably would have been great to just focus on just one or the other, but I was doing the podcast and one of the things I knew I could have on the witching half hour or so was tarot episodes.
I was talking about the art of the tarot and everything, and like breaking down the high arcana. And I was like, well, how can I talk about something so visual in an audio format? Yeah. So then I was [00:44:00] doing a YouTube kind of compendium for each one. And then I was like, well, I'm going to throw on some tarot Tuesdays and monthly spreads and just really focus on just tarot .
And I it was weird because had I known about efficiency and how much time everything takes, I would have taken the video of the podcast and made it into a YouTube, but they were two separate things. So I do a podcast and then I off the cuff do the YouTube. And so I was doing double content on the same thing.
and then once I figured out, that's exhausting. Yeah, I'd already started this pattern. So I was like, whatever. , I'm almost done the higher arcana. So I'll just stick with that.
Kristy: Just keep it going. And then it exists there forever.
Jodi Anne: Right? Like it does.
Kristy: Yeah, it's interesting because I'm focused on YouTube, but , I have TikTok and I have, but I haven't.
Like it's like once you get done editing six videos and putting everything together and then putting them on YouTube. I'm like Okay, so I [00:45:00] basically on Instagram and Facebook and TikTok, although I'm most commonly on Facebook, just because it's so I'm so used to it, even though it's like, not like the future and whatever, but I only put the collective one on there.
Jodi Anne: I think I used to do a tarot Tuesday every week for a long time. Mm hmm. And and I go back and forth with them,
I love that you're a tarot girl, because so many people we know , they're oracle girls. Yeah. And I, I'm so devoted to tarot. Like I, it's my favorite, favorite divination tool. And a lot of people they feel very intimidated by it.
Kristy: Yes. Yeah. And I did before I got the message to go do it and then it made it worth it.
But again I was an English teacher prior to becoming a counselor , but also like narrative therapy, which, , is a huge part of my practice. So I'm like, . Oh, , these are archetypes. , oh, and then I learning to pull things.
And then, like you said, I'll notice like little things in the cards. It's like, oh, there's a farmer's field behind here that I never noticed before. And like, what could, what am I getting right now [00:46:00] with that in relation to the other cards? And it's like, oh, , the Knight of Pentacles, he needs to plant some seeds, like, , in that field or whatever, like there's, there's so much they're so rich.
And I mostly use the writer's Smith weight, right? I have a really lovely modern witch tarot. I don't know if you have that one, but it's great. Cause it's very it's a feminist
Jodi Anne: I've heard of it. I have a list of ones I want, but I have so many. And once you are a tarot reader, people.
Start giving you tarot decks too, which is my favorite gift to receive.
Kristy: Nice, noted. But the modern witch one is great because the imagery , is modern and it's all the characters , are like female or non binary , okay, like my favorite one is like, so like the 10 of swords has this. Imagery of a woman lying on her side and being stabbed. with her phone
And it's like, yeah, it's just like, and then the court is like, everything's fine, so it was very clever and yeah, or like, even [00:47:00] like, Is it the hierophant? I think it's the hierophant and she's got her like laptop open and she's closing it, right? Like it's like the emotion is like, no, I know, right?
Like, yeah, it's, it's, it's a good one. Yeah.
Jodi Anne: Oh, that'll be a fun one.
Kristy: Yeah. Yeah.
Jodi Anne: It's interesting, the narrative of it. One of the things I think is that people don't realize that most of the archetypes within the tarot, especially the high arcana, we're already familiar with them. They're woven through our culture, they're in our pop culture, they're in our stories.
And so when I'm teaching it, it's It's interesting to see people make the connections. When you were talking about narrative, that's how I teach my kids. Because they've grown up around witchcraft. They've grown up around tarot cards.
We always have decks lying all over the place. And there'll be moments where we pull them. And I remember one of my sons was asking me how I read and , [00:48:00] we were pretend reading. And
Kristy: Yeah.
Jodi Anne: Right? And he was pulling cards. I'm like, tell me a story. I said, look at those. Put the story together. What are those saying?
And then he started putting the story together and because I'm a witch, I'm, I can see who in our family he's tapping into, , he was very, very on point with it. And , it's about looking at the way the energy is flowing in that spread and putting those characters together and figuring out. The story and listening to your intuition about the story and listening to the messages from your guides about the narrative.
It's very narrational, I find,
Kristy: . So, , you can tell somebody the facts over and over and over again, but then you tell them a story that illustrates those facts, and they'll remember it immediately. It's part of our human experience, yeah. It's part of our human experience to be drawn to these stories.
Jodi Anne: Oral tradition, story tradition is how we taught each other for years.
That's why we have all these beautiful fables and [00:49:00] lore. They're the story tradition.
Kristy: Yep.
Jodi Anne: So the YouTube channel
Kristy: tarot in HD, that is like a double meaning like high definition, but also human design. And like I said, I do readings every, almost every week for each one, for each of the different types.
And then, and , for example, if I'm doing a reading for a projector, okay, we haven't talked about projectors, but they're about 23 percent of 23, 24 percent of the population just depends where you get your information and projectors have this incredible ability to, like, see everything from up high.
Right? Like they can, have like a bird's eye view of everything that's going on and they actually make great bosses and there tend to be really good with like manage. Anyways, there's lots of things. So , when I'm doing a reading for the projector, I speak to their strategy.
I speak to their human design in the reading so that it's more meaningful so that I can teach about human design while also doing the tarot and Oracle card reading. Yeah. Wow.
Jodi Anne: So we're going to [00:50:00] put a link in the show notes. Sounds great. To your YouTube channel. And also, do you have a website, Kristy?
Kristy: I do. And guess what? It's called tarot in HD. com.
Jodi Anne: Fantastic. So , everyone will be able to find you. They can find out about human design. They can get in touch with you about your manifestation courses and classes. They can get in touch with you about all the things you do.
Kristy: 100%. Yes, it's exciting. It's all come together in divine timing.
Isn't that just wonderful?
Jodi Anne: And I thank you so much for your time tonight and for being on the channel. I love that you talk as fast as me. Yeah, I know. It's going to be an episode that everyone is going to have to come back to.
And listen again and again.
Kristy: Yeah.
Was awesome. It just flowed really beautifully. And I'm so grateful. Thank you, Jodi Ann, for having me.
Jodi Anne: Oh my God. Thank you for coming on. It was lovely to have you, my dear. Yeah.
Kristy: Okay. Well, till next time.
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